2020 SSN ROUND 5 – LIGHTNING v GIANTS

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  • CharlesWB
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    I do not think anyone is debating that the umpires followed due process.. I think those of us who have an issue with the situation just do not agree that the challenges were worthy of penalty. (especially the final one)

    Just because the umpire says something does not mean it is correct. They are fallible, and should also be held to account for dubious decisions when they make them. Is there a review / debrief process for the umpires?

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    Ian Harkin
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    Ian Harkin
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    ‘Never seen that’: Netball world erupts over ‘disgraceful’ moment

    https://au.sports.yahoo.com/super-netball-fans-erupt-disgraceful-moment-send-off-210057390.html

    Ian Harkin
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    englishrose21
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    Also yes I was going to mention Wilson being sent off in the VNSL but she was also banned for the next game.
    As in she couldn’t be in the squad, they could have another GK.
    I’m assuming that isn’t the case in SSN?

    englishrose21
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    And what I loved about ANZ this year is how clear the umpires were.
    They’d say if you do that again it’ll be a warning or whatever.
    I think the umpire should have been clearer in the consequences for sending off.

    netballmum
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    I really think everyone needs to take a deep breath and stop worrying about the intent. I agree with everyone who has said that Manu’a only had eyes for the ball and wasn’t deliberately hitting people, Unfortunately, the 2020 rules have removed the need for the umpire to determine intent when the contact is dangerous.

    In 2 of the incidents Manu’a took out her opponent’s legs with a late challenge near the post. Both were dangerous. The umpire correctly warned in the first case (as per the rules) and suspended in the second case.

    The third incident she was again late and took her opponent head high – dangerous (not her fault or intent, but still late & nasty).

    As many have said, once you have been suspended the next infringement of any type – even minor ones, like rolling the ball away to delay play – will result in a send off – in line with the rules.
    I find it remarkable that professional players and coaches don’t know the rules!
    Julie really should not have put her back on (or at least not at GD).

    This is a bit like the Fiji player at Comm Games in the Gold Coast – she only lasted about 20 secs after her suspension – at least Manu’a managed about 8 minutes.

    The commentators have inflamed the situation by demonstrating their lack of knowledge of the rules (Which they do most games) and trying to create talking points – I hope they come out before the next game and explain the rules – as well as complimenting the umpires on how well they handled a very difficult situation.

    Also, I’m not normally a Poolman fan, but thought she did really well in the last 12 minutes – shame her attackers weren’t able to maintain their composure and just convert their own ball.

    Who needs a 2 point shot to get people talking about netball??!!

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    mcleod
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    If a player is sent of for that, then I fully expect a player to be sent from the court in every game now.

    TB
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    CharlesWB I think that’s what everyone is debating, (or confused at least) is the sending off. Most comments on social media are angry that she got sent off for the rest of the game. They are blaming the umpire for doing that, like as if to say “the umpire deemed that contest so dangerous, she overreacted by sending her off for the rest of the game.”
    When in actual fact, that umpire was following the next step of the process. Manu’a would have received a warning for it anyways, but the unfortunate thing for her was it was the 3rd time.

    I for one believe the umpires made the right calls. Over the years I have always heard discussions on how there’s no follow through from umpires. Like “umpires send out warnings all the time…..but nothing comes of them” blah blah blah. But when 2 umpires actually ACTION it, they get hated on. All three collisions from Manu’a were of the EXACT same nature – which warranted the discipline.

    Andrew Kennedy
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    Does anyone actually know the name of the male umpire? I’m quite sure it’s his first SSNL match and he is not in the originally released list of umpires.

    I’m also wondering whether he is a Qld umpire called up to replace someone sick or injured OR if it was the beginning of his accreditation to get AA or international badging.

    mcleod
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    The Giants inept shooting in the final Q, was what really cost them. Did not score a goal/point in the last 5.10min
    Harten had 2 attempts at 2 points and missed.

    TB
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    I agree Mcleod

    Cake
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    The biggest thing for me here is the fact that there are professional players/coaches/commentators that don’t know the rules!! It seems that the Giants and Julie weren’t aware that you can’t replace a player that is sent off. How do they not know this?! And I’ve just watched the latest episode of Centre Court with Bianca and Braz where both don’t know the rule that the ball has to pass fully through the ring before the final whistle in order to count.
    I am simply flabbergasted that there are people in a professional competition that don’t have knowledge of all of the rules!! I knew all of these things, how did they not?! I know these rules occur rarely, but it’s their job to know what happens when they do.

    As for the send off, the process was followed correctly as I think we all agree. Watching the replays, personally I think the first was warranted but the second was a normal contest, there wasn’t actually much contact there. But everyone does need to remember that umpires don’t see the replays like we do. Often I see an incident that I think looks bad in the moment, but on seeing the replay it wasn’t actually that bad, or vice versa. They have a split second to make a judgement. The umpires do not deserve the hate. But I think it is important for umpires and teams to all review this situation so everyone has a consistent understanding of the rules firstly, and what exactly is considered dangerous.

    mcleod
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    Amazing that the coaches and players don’t know a rule, that the general public do.

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