2022 SSN ROUND 4

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  • al_ex
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    I always thought Dwan’s move to the T’Birds was a bit strange but now it really seems like a bad decision. At her best she’s a great player, I’ll never forget how she absolutely dominated against the Swifts in her debut season and broke the NNP record. This team just isn’t right for her style of play. She should have moved to Melbourne or stayed at the Firebirds.

    I’ve always thought the Swifts get a bit spooked by Sterling, especially Proud and Wallace. Housby really stepped up and pretty much pulled them through. Smith/Turner/Klau had their best game as a unit. Fawns and Singleton are quite raw, but all things considered they’ve done exceptionally. It would be a great achievement if the Swifts made the Finals with the loss of Wallace (and Garbin).

    The praising of Dan Ryan’s coaching and the criticism of Obst’s shows a lot of recency bias. When Dan Ryan was coach he recruited injured/out of form players and really did not demand excellence. They lost 27 games in a row. Obst has recruited and retained good players and has actually made them a force again. Sure she has made some bad decisions and they really should have won all of their matches this season, but she’s been by far the best coach they’ve had since JWT.

    netballgirl
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    So pretty much the thunderbirds have lost 2 matches because of the silly super shot!!
    Side note: I’ve noticed Dawn is very careless with the ball. I understand why they are persisting with starting her because they need Georgie as their play making WA.

    Netballcrazy1
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    @al_ex that’s a fair analysis re Obst. I don’t disagree that she’s definitely been one of the better coaches since JWT and has retained players who are better for the long-term vision but her actual decision making during games is problematic and I feel there has to be adjustments to that otherwise it doesn’t matter that she’s been able to retain players

    Nate
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    Glad you all agree with me about the standard of umpiring this year, I always believe if you have the whistle then you control the game with what happens and doesn’t happen. You dictate the game not the players. Majority of the players from SSN if they played in ANZ or even a local league they’d be warned straight up for dangerous play, no caution at all. So many late hits and taking landing spaces (which I find is the dirtiest tactic).

    Also can’t remember who wrote it but not all shooters need to bend their knees. I personally do not when im shooting and a lot of the greatest shooters never bent their knees either. I find a lot of shooters who use the bend the knees technique often have their shot mechanics faulter frequently because their rhythm is harder to control with too many moving parts, if that makes sense.

    Also re the stepping, there’s always been tonnes of stepping in netball and more so in these higher leagues and it is so much easier to spot, I find it funny how a player can be called for stepping once in a game yet they do the same type of step throughout the entire game.

    Super shot just really needs to go or make the super shot zone smaller, which is what players and coaches wanted to change if it was kept and I’ll say it again they really can’t call it netball. It may tout itself as the best netball league in the world but it’s not the purest or best league to watch imo.

    al_ex
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    The supershot zone should be the same as in Fast5. Then it would actually be exciting because there would be far less attempts, so it would hold a lot more value.

    enozlas
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    To clarify, I’m comparing Dan Ryan now after his growth through VNSL and now at Fever, not Dan Ryan back in the day at Tbirds which was definitely a disaster. However that has been openly discussed and seems more of a reflection on Netball SA than Dans coaching abilities as an absolute rookie (ie. I don’t believe he had much say/anything to do with recruitment).

    Obst has had a few years in this league now and largely the same playing group so whilst I agree there’s been better retention… the results aren’t speaking for themselves.
    We have zero composure when it’s needed and even if you put the scoreboard aside our games are extremely scrappy and really difficult to watch, they lack intensity and we heavily rely on one player (Sterling) to keep us in games. Throw in some of the most questionable rotations to date and ridiculous time-out huddles last night and I’m really struggling to stay optimistic that Obst is the right person for the job.

    Tully
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    I think the jury is still out on both Ryan and Obst’s in-game coaching.

    Some of Ryan’s decisions (such as leaving Glasgow off for as long as he did. After the change to Cosh didn’t work he tried ATN before finally going back to Glasgow. Sure Glasgow’s output was less than recent weeks but she was against an in form Weston) were costly against Vixens. Fowler was the only player to stay in the same position for 60 minutes. McKinnis in contrast made far less changes but very pointed ones that had impact.

    A lot of Obst’s decisions last night did not make sense. Wilson is off then on then off then on. She was outstanding and Adelaide needed to win ball. With the ex workin of Petty, Sterling and Potgeiter all players either changed positions or played musical chairs with the bench.

    At this point any team could make finals. Collingwood were 0-3 but after one win are up to 6th. If they can produce a large win over Giants and other results go their way (Fever and F’Birds scoring large home wins over Swifts and Adelaide) they could be 4th after the next round!

    NB12
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    The impact of covid has to be considered for some coaches. And it will continue to happen throughout the season. Even having just one player out is disruptive.

    enozlas
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    Arguably it helped magpies last night 😂 took the guess work out of who should be on court between Sinclair and Garbin and left Allen out there to just do the basics and be a solid contributor.

    NB12
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    Totally! And I think the players rallied around her, and kept it simple for that reason – something they should consider moving forward.

    I will say though, Lightning have no defence in the mid court. Zero pressure getting that ball into Nelson.

    Tully
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    Agree @NB12 Lightning need to go back to basics and focus on hands over pressure because they had none last night.

    Feel for Dehaney. Not playing well. But the ball is flying down court at her. Walsh is and always has been too loose for GD. Hinchliffe is coming back from an ACL and has been playing GK for the last few years. No obvious WD in the team.

    enozlas
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    I think Cassidy is the Lightning’s answer at WD she just lacks consistency. She reminds me of petty, they persisted with her in C too much but she can actually be an effective shutdown WD.
    I think not having a GD is what’s hurting them more. They have 3 GK’s.

    NB12
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    I think it begs the question again, how were any teams NOT looking at Wallam? She would have been great at Lightning too.

    There were a few concerns that Firebirds had lost some good players to Lightning, but it isn’t proving to be the case. Not completely sold on Stower, but her cameos have actually been pretty good and she provides great movement in that change up.

    And Bakewell-Doran has been superb. Have to give some credit to Anderson for benching Jenner, she has been coming on pretty well and you can see her trying to make some adjustments.

    TB
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    @NB12 I totally agree about Wallam. She would have been a perfect fit for Lightning.
    Though I wonder if they were concerned about loosing Koenan, had they have signed Wallam too? Between the 3 of them, they would have formed some really good combinations.

    Karla Pretorious is a massive loss for Lightning. All 3 defenders they have are natural GKs. They give too much space at GD.

    I find it so hard to watch them now. I want them to do good, but can’t see much success for this year.

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