2023 QUAD SERIES (Jan) – SA/Aus/NZ/Eng

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  • Ian Harkin
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      Yeah, I’m up.

      Time management. It’s one of the big frustrations as a netball watcher. SA just gave a good example of how not to score a goal in the last 22 seconds of a quarter.

      Other than that, a great fightback after being down by 6 goals.

      Ian Harkin
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        1/2 time: Eng 25-23

        Olivia Tchine 5/6 (83%)
        Eleanor Cardwell 14/15 (93%)

        Lenize Potgieter 16/16 (100%)
        Nichole Taljaard 7/10 (70%)

        Andrew Kennedy
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          Jess Thirlby has made some pretty bizarre changes in this quarter. Does she want to win? I can only think she’s resting players???

          Anyway, she put GS Tchine and GA Cardwell (strange), and Allison at C instead of Clarke (worth a try). Later in the quarter Fadoju came on (predictably) at GD in place of Williams, and (most strangely) MacDonald came on at WA for Metcalf. Surely Metcalf has to come back on straight away after having some coaching advice.

          The two tall shooters really didn’t work, sorry I don’t have the stats but Tchine seems to have shot 4/5 or something like that. Cardwell is shooting beautifully from range with something like 14/15. The GD replacement is interesting – Williams always seems totally pumped, and she does mostly cover the shooters’ moves well, sometimes moves her head too much, but in this match (for 5 mins) Fadoju had basically no effect.

          For SA we’ve seen Potgieter shoot 100% (maybe 17/17, no stats, sorry), but her insistence on planting her feet rather than moving onto the ball is a weakness. Not only does it lead to stepping, it makes her next pass slow and predictable. If she would actually just do a normal drive that would help balance the court so much better. It also will be better of Taljaard starts further back and watches the play, because she is missing a lot of the time.

          Pretorius is playing awesome as usual, especially in covering front position, switching, and driving in attack. But honestly, it’s a mess, and the scoreline tells us that, we’ve gone from 12-all to just 25-23 to England. Low scoring, and generally speaking it’s errors rather than gains that tell the story. If either of the teams would actually get legit gains AND/OR convert possession, they could easily romp away.

          Would like to see England decide to do a zone properly as I think they have the speed, height, and anticipation to make that work.

          Andrew Kennedy
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            Oh okay I found the stats. Both Mentor and Maweni have 4 gains (best so far in first half). Both sides have 10 turnovers. Roses stats 93% to Proteas 89%. Roses have 86% conversion of gains which I didn’t expect but it’s one of the most glaringly different stats between teams, as SA have 43%

            Andrew Kennedy
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              SA beginning Q3 with more luck (bad balls falling to Maweni twice), but actually converting their possession. They’ve stopped moving so much and trying to race, they’re letting just their couple of really fast players do all the running (eg Taljaard, Chawene), the others are making much smarter moves at the right time and saving energy.

              The commentator is saying “when they inject extra pace they find their way through”. Well, not really , sort of yes, but only if they hold back their lead to the right time, rather than running around trying to be “free” of the England defence.

              Potgieter is now actually holding Mentor off properly like a veteran shooter should, so it’s 29-all after 6 mins.

              Incidentally England now have Tchine and Housby shooting, and Clarke back at C. MacDonald remains at WA.

              Again Tchine dropped the ball. She’s the cause of a lot of timing issues, too, and she doesn’t set up an obvious space, such a rookie against two players with over 80 caps.

              Andrew Kennedy
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                Honestly, both teams are getting so much possession, and utterly failing to convert it. Defensive pressure is causing them to clutter together, to miss shots and not rebound, to pass really dumb feeds. Tchine especially is spooked from taking shots she really can make because of the reach of Maweni. Her accuracy is dropping, she’s a liability out there, and the really should have Cardwell on.

                Instead we see Mngumezul at GA for SA, and you can straight away see her sprinting (too much) to the goal circle (good idea). She’s driving well and drawing the attention of defenders, and taking on the body well (for the first 2 mins!).

                Ian Harkin
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                  3/4 time: Eng 36-34

                  I think England should go on to win the game, but I say that with no certainty. Neither side really fills you with much confidence that they can maintain possession!

                  Andrew Kennedy
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                    Nice work this quarter from Potgieter in general, as she seems to actually be dictating play against Mentor, decides when to really move, and then to solidly hold. She’s 24/24 for the match (NB Housby 13/13).

                    With 15 seconds to go SA score, England have a chance to get it, but of course Tchine does a fairly weak drive out of the circle middle channel, and Pretorius intercepts it! She’s just amazing. So nobody scores and it’s 36-34 to England with 15 mins to go.

                    Ian Harkin
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                      Strange time to bring on a new GA from Norma. And she’s really struggling out there!

                      Andrew Kennedy
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                        Not impressed with the English (??) umpire, making all kinds of mistakes eg Guscoth contacts and then runs METRES away and gets called for another contact when should be out of play (!), extremely long 3 seconds on Potgieter, blatant clobbering over the shoulders of Mentor on Potgieter.

                        Thank goodness Thirlby actually has her best lineup back on – Cardwell, Housby, Metcalf, Clarke, Guscoth, Fadoju, Mentor. And we can immediately see the difference – the English shooters have confidence, the SAs don’t, they’re not going to the post and not desperate for the ball.

                        Very quickly England are 4-0 ahead in this quarter. Not sure why Cardwell thinks she needs to signal to the space all the time, it’s blindingly obvious when it’s on, and she’s actually wrong quite often, the feeders can see it much better than she can feel it. Cardwell also moves off the hold too early and gives the defender a chance.

                        Wow the SA players are frustrating, they’re just making so many mistakes, and not playing with confidence.

                        Andrew Kennedy
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                          I would give Mentor MVP, even though she’s benched for the last 4 mins, she did the best overall to unsettle her opposition, and also, NO OTHER ENGLISH PLAYER stayed on court the whole game! Too many changes.

                          Taking Cardwell off and on did work well though. She dominated that last quarter.

                          Ian Harkin
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                            Full time: Eng 49-42

                            Cardwell 23/27 (85%)
                            Housby 17/19 (89%)
                            Tchine 9/12 (75%)
                            TOTAL 49/58 (85%)

                            Potgieter 30/31 (97%)
                            Taljaard 10/14 (71%)
                            Venter 2/2 (100%)
                            TOTAL 42/47 (89%)

                            Assists: Msomi 19
                            Gains: Maweni 8

                            POTM: Funmi Fadoju

                            Andrew Kennedy
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                              Aus v NZ now. NZ getting path to goal pretty easily, Aus needing to use patience and resetting to Bruce at GD. A big feature is NZ’s top notch defence of the centre pass, but you can see in contrast that Aus do have several tactics to overcome it. For the moment, Wood setting up Koenen is the best play for Aus, and Diamonds are starting to make the Kiwi defenders’ heads spin.

                              Quite impressed with Crampton’s drives, finding all kinds of spaces (sometimes very tiny, sometimes very wide), and turning to deliver quickly, great stuff from her.

                              7-6 to NZ after 6 mins.

                              Andrew Kennedy
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                                Both sides are getting possession to the circle so smoothly now. The only difference was one stepping call against Wood. Also maybe the calls of umpire Burgess, one of which was completely wrong and gave a throw-in to NZ instead of Australia. Oh yes! And a great deflection by Heffernan. Otherwise most goals are just flowing with the centre passes.

                                Still seeing great work from Crampton. Ekenasio is filling in the gaps but not especially needed. Crampton just gets it through with her quick release, even when Nweke is double-defended.

                                Meanwhile, excellent work from Wood overall, with perfect shooting. Long shots, opening for herself, rotating and feeding Koenen.

                                NZ ahead 19-15 at quarter time, reminds me of their game a few days ago which was relatively high scoring (total of 116 goals). Most Transtasman goals are defensively dominated so to score about 55 is uncommon.

                                Commentators are suggesting a change for Aus, and that has to be Braz off and Price on. Or Aryang on? Crampton simple scintillating.

                                sarahk90
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                                  I think Burgess had the correct call on the baseline (he was right there, he would have seen). The ball probably hadn’t actually bounced out of court then Klau stepped out of court and caught it.

                                  Aus is scary at this point cause we know they can 100% pull this back so quickly

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