2024 Vitality Netball Nations Cup – Eng / Aus / NZ / Uga (Jan)

2024 Vitality Netball Nations Cup – Eng / Aus / NZ / Uga (Jan)2023-11-16T18:49:51+10:00
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  • Flb
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      Ok fair enough my wording is probably off. But you asked who are the next gen and why aren’t they in the squad and I was trying to answer that. I don’t mean that the roses give out caps lightly, but they have a different approach to introducing new players to international netball than a team like the Diamonds. That they sent such a green team to NZ was an easy example to point to in order to illustrate that difference. Obviously the circumstances that each team operates in is different and this feeds into that different approach.

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        I imagine that most of the current Diamonds team would be looking to make it to the next world cup, particularly with it being at home. 32-33 really isn’t too old for pro athletes to still be performing at their peak with the kind of support they get now. Maybe Jo Weston will struggle just considering how persistent her injury issues seem to be?

        It will be interesting to see what happens if any of the core Diamonds players start declining while younger plays prove themselves ready. I don’t think this team has had to navigate dropping a major player since Caitlin Bassett. They’ve had the luxury of being such a stable, close-knit & successful group that it could be a big challenge.

        Tamsin mentioned in the above video that the Roses have used 32 players in 20 tests since the Comm Games (not including world cup matches). I had a look at the Diamonds in the same period and by my calculation, they’ve used 21 players in 22 tests. Slightly higher than I thought just because it feels like they’ve been so consistent with using players from that squad of 15 that went to the world cup. But it’s mostly come from rotating through so many GD options (Weston, Aryang, Turner, RBD, Hinchliffe, Garrett). GD is a bit of a strange one for the Diamonds because they have so many options, but they’ve continued backing Aryang to keep her spot. And I think there’s a lot of merit to that decision, but it’s also proven risky with Weston’s injury issues. Going back to the discussion earlier about unlucky Australian players, I’d say Turner has probably been the most unlucky.

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          Morning all – first time poster! Just in regards to the Sky Sports clip Ian popped up,I too couldn’t believe the sheer volume of players England have put on court over the last year and half. How are players supposed to be building a consistent brand that stands up to the toughest opponents when players are going in and out of the squad at that rate? That also shows no confidence in a core group of 15 or so players who should be building connection and refining the game plan together over time. It also isn’t building a culture of high performance through pressure in the squad for places and time out on court.

          Australia also deserve some respect for the regeneration performed in the program continually whilst not tolerating any dips in performance along the way. So many of that current group will be going through to the next WC and are young in netball terms and those who are a little bit older (30 or so and still in their prime, but they know they’ll have to work for it I’m sure, no staying still in that group) are playing so well they deserve the opportunity to go forward! Things are managed in such a healthy, structured way in Australia’s program – lots to learn for those chasing I think.

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            Oh and sorry as a follow on, regarding the discussion on the GK crop in Australia, I really hope Hincheliffe can get through the injuries and gets a chance to play consistent netball. I think she is brilliant and can work with any defensive unit in front of her. Garrett is a smaller different style keeper and now a lovely GD, she’ll be amongst it. As for the taller keepers, there are a few there but need some court time. But super interesting to see how it all plays out but we’ve been lucky to witness Bruce-Klau-Weston. Basically interchangeable and so flexible in what they do. I think that would come from sitting behind the incumbents for so long- having to just keep working and improving.

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              Flb
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                Welcome Westy7 – great points. Capsule, that is really interesting. It was slightly higher than I would’ve guessed for the Diamonds, but I suppose you have retirements and they rested a few players at various times and they’re obviously trying to figure out the WD/GD future as well as the 5 shooters into 4 positions.

                I think with the Diamonds it always feels like tinkering and adjusting rather than wholesale changes.

                I’m sure Turner and Proud could argue all day about who has been more unlucky!

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                      @Westy7 welcome to the forum, the home of real netball discussions B-) B-)

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                        @FIB I don’t disagree that SSN is the best netball type game at the moment, but it’s not the international game.

                        @capsule I agree with FIB you raised some interesting points. I think Turner has missed her opportunity as has Kim Jenner. I’m not a fan of TillyG.

                        I need to watch, listen & read the articles posted by Ian. But think about it JT has used 30 plus players to Stacey’s 22, the Roses have a whole team that have been exposed to international netball. :scratch: 🙂 :scratch: shame we still lost by 20 goals :whistle: :whistle:

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                            Not sure if anyone has mentioned this already but Donnell Wallam was suffering from covid while in England, which is why she only made one game day squad (plus the knee niggle and Dwyer’s efforts).

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                              Yeah, I wasn’t sure about that until The Netty Life Podcast said she’d been unwell.

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