Ian HarkinModeratorApril 26, 2022 at 6:46 amPost count: 13957
If she had stayed at the Swifts, she’d have been starting GS since round 2 and in all likelihood killing it. Just so sad.JRParticipantApril 26, 2022 at 4:21 pmPost count: 1325
SSN team of the week and squad members as at Round 6.
Bueta (R2, R4)
Dwyer (R5, R6)
Brazill (R4, R6)
Turner (R3 – as WD)
Weston (R1, R3, R6)
Bruce (R1, R2, R3, R5)
So far, Garbin, Wood, Austin, Hadley and Klau have not been in the SSN Team of the Week; Proud and Rav have been more than once but not in the squad.
JRParticipantMay 9, 2022 at 4:23 pmPost count: 1325
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After Round 8,
Austin (Round 8)
Dwyer (Round 5, 6 and 7)
Turner (Round 8)
Proud in the Round 8 Team of the Week – think that’s the third time. Browne is also in the Round 4 and 7 team.JRParticipantMay 10, 2022 at 6:27 amPost count: 1325
Oh that should say Turner (Round 3, Round 8).netballgirlParticipantMay 10, 2022 at 2:15 pmPost count: 60
I honestly don’t think it’s based on their ability, something must’ve happened to exclude them from the squad. It’s like when LA never included Brazil!
Maybe they rubbed SM the wrong way? Or they don’t gel well with the other girls?
Something must’ve happened behind closed doors that well never know.Siouxsie QueParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 11:19 amPost count: 9
From watching this SSN season unfold and taking into account the impact Covid has had (some netballers recover faster – also note that Netball NZ seems to have better protocols re: managing player’s health re: their covid return) I’m going to put my 2 cents in!
Wood (love her at WA and would consider playing her there which is why I am going for 5),
Koenan – coming into form and a very reliable shot if close to the post which I think will be the game plan.
Austin – her longer range shooting gets her in and also her ability to cover WA),
Wallam (think she offers something different and more reliable shot than Garbin)
No reserve as picked 5
Sophie Dwyer will be a fixture in years to come and would have her in there is anything happens to either Koenan or Austin) – love her shooting and not afraid to put it up from anywhere in the circle which could be critical in ‘a crunch moment’. Glasgow is also an option but think she is more of a GS (forced to play GA). whereas suspect Dwyer can cover both shooting positions).
Watson (also a great option at C – brings a strong defensive presence as well),
Hadley (her position is the most at risk but does cover all 3 positions – she is coming into form now though which is what matters – she is very steady),
Maloney (prefer her over Price and Brazil- more reliable (safer set of hands and less ‘wild passes’) but only at WD in major games). I realise selectors will probably go Brazil and I do love watching her play – she does pick up ball but can also throw away ball too. I like Maloney in WD as she keeps the WA off the circle edge and matches the fast WA’s for speed and allows for GK and GD to intercept whilst being positioned for the outlet.
My mid court is based on the assumption that Hadley/Watson will wear the centre bib.
Reserve – Proud – love Rav but think Proud is more effective feeding a moving circle and her defence game is stronger. I am mindful though that Rav, if included, brings alot of experience, at this level, into the mix and is a steady influence). Unfortunately, since not being included in the squad her form has dropped of a bit. I also think we need a bit of variation to the Firebirds front line (as I have included Wallam).
Weston (also back up WD option),
4th position is so hard – love Aryang but she has had a ‘quiet’ season, Turner is also finding form but going to go Bakewell-Doran to throw in a ‘surprise element – always good to have an ‘X’ factor should it be needed and she doesn’t give away alot of ball or penalties). This is assuming no major form slump or injury that impacts performance. I suspect selector’s will go for’the safe option in which case she should go as the reserve so she gets exposure to the environment with world cup in mind.
So hard – could be either Aryang or Turner but will go with Turner purely because she can cover GD, WD and GK – she has had time in all 3 this season. Aryang is young and I have no doubt she will be a fixture in the Australian team in years to come and I love her style of play – gets clean ball because of her skill rather than being ‘a thug’.
I realise that the temptation is to go with same team as the quad series but the other coaches will also be planning for that which is why I think we have to have something different up our sleeve which is why I am backing Wallam and Bakewell-Doran and would love Wood in WA.MontyandpoppyParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 3:07 pmPost count: 178
This is really great insight siouxcie and similar to my choices. I’m also neither here nor there about Hadley. To me it seems proud does so much more in the Swifts frontline? But she is a good swing player….
I do have me a thing for Garbin as a holding shooter though and reckon she is also relatively unknown to bring as a surprise. Would be happy with either her or wallam to put in a bulk of goals as a holding shooter…NB12ParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 3:40 pmPost count: 315
The unknown here is how Austin would perform with most shooters. We haven’t seen her with Bueta, Wood, Wallam or Garbin. We did see her play well with Koenan.
The fact is, whoever gets the nod out of Austin, Garbin or Wallam, they are all sitting behind Bueta as the starter (either GS or GA), so you want a player who plays well with Bueta but also can provide a change if it is needed.
Wood is a certainty because of her past performance and experience. I also think she shines in the Diamonds environment, something isn’t right at Lightning for when right now.
Is Austin at GA going to provide enough space for Lizzy and Bueta(GS) to do their thing?MontyandpoppyParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 4:43 pmPost count: 178
You’d have to wonder the austin space question but is it better the devil you know. Who knows what would happen with Dwyer for example? At least someone can work through footage of austin and Watson together and brainstorm some options going forward?NB12ParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 5:17 pmPost count: 315
Yes, good point. I was probably giving more favour to taking a player like Garbin as the ultimate utility back up.
The way I see it, if they take Wallam, Austin would be the third choice GA, just like Garbin would be the third choice GS, but I feel she is more of a known quantity at Diamonds level in both GA and GS positions (I don’t want her in GA, but we know what she does there).
TBParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 7:55 pmPost count: 634
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After watching Liz Watson live running at C, she’s amazing there.
There are two middies that haven’t made the cut, who are having great seasons at WA – Proud and Browne. Yet selectors are over looking them cause they want two C options.
I would take one C specialist (probably Hadley, as I can’t see them dropping her). Use Liz as backup, but starting WA. And then use Proud or Browne as backup WA.
If they did go this way (which they won’t), then all they need is a specialist WD – Braz, Moloney or JLP. All three can run a full C game too.
I would love to hear other past players and coaches, list their twelve for CWGs, like how Susan Petitt has done. Be interesting to see their lineups.enozlasParticipantMay 18, 2022 at 8:14 pmPost count: 430
I’m sorry but Garbin has to no longer be an option people are seriously considering for diamonds? I think she’s got talent yes but I think she’s a long way off international level. Wood and Buetta are in and miles above the rest, Wallam would be a great impact change-up option and Austin has a proven track record of being able to perform at a high standard.
Garbin doesn’t fit in that lineup anymore, if anything Dwyer has taken the lead in that battle as she is far more effective in attack at GA and has a much more reliable shot.JRParticipantMay 19, 2022 at 2:29 pmPost count: 1325
After Round 10
Austin (R8, R10)
Brazill (R4, R6, R9)
Bruce (R1, R2, R3, R5)
Bueta (R2, R4)
Dwyer (R5, R6, R7)
Moloney (R3, R10 as WD)
Turner (R3 – as WD, R8)
Watson (R1, R9, R10 as Centre)
Weston (R1, R3, R6)
Proud in again in Round 9….that’s four times!
Now, only Diamonds’ squad members still to make the Forum’s team of the week are Garbin, Wood and Hadley.Siouxsie QueParticipantMay 19, 2022 at 4:01 pmPost count: 9
I too feel sorry for Garbin, it is a shame that that she didn’t stay at Swifts as she would most likely be running full games at GS, giving selectors more of a chance to see her in that role. I think we need players that are predominantly running full games (taking away the impact of Covid) so the match fitness is there. I also think that Wallam is not always being fed well which impacts her stats currently and I wouldn’t be playing her against the Jamaicans – need a moving circle to counteract their defence or feeding ‘to
the hold’ (lots of triangles) so don’t go over Sterling – Firebirds best quarter was the 3rd when they used that option – surprised they didn’t stick with it last night for the final quarter given the feed to Wallam wasn’t working well. I understand the issue of Austin ‘over playing’ in the Vixen’s front line but she is adjusting and building the connection with Watson (who will of course be on the court as either WA or C in the ‘crunch games’). One of Hadley’s strengths is she is a ‘complementary player'(adjusts her play to what is around her – valuable but not always reflected in the stats – like Maloney) so in theory it should work. Austin is also a WA option – having both her and Wood as WA options allows for a specialist WD – I’m backing Maloney (also a C back up to rest players in early rounds) but it could be Braz (but only in WD), I think she is too erratic in C). I also love watching Parmy but don’t think she is there yet. The WD needs to be ‘in play’. At international level I love Bueta and the connection with Wood whether she plays GA or WA.
It has been wonderful this season to see emerging shooters coming through and it would be great if down the track they are holding down starting positions. I think Nelson is the only international shooter who will be around long term.nanatorParticipantMay 19, 2022 at 9:37 pmPost count: 186
I think the strongest Diamonds midcourt would be Browne, Watson, Moloney and Brazill.
Watson, Moloney, Brazill as starting midcourt, and then either move Browne into WA or Brazill into C with Turner/Weston covering GD.
Proud is a stronger player overall compared to Moloney and Browne, but she’s far too similar to Watson. Too many cooks, spoil the broth.
I think having Browne easily hit the circle edge with Wallam in the circle is a lethal weapon.
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