Proposed rule changes

Proposed rule changes2023-07-07T11:40:00+10:00
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  • Avatar photoIan Harkin
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      al_ex
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        Relatively good changes in my opinion, especially getting rid of the fake injuries and the weird short pass rule. Going forward I would like to see centre passes at the start of the quarter alternate between teams (so both teams start with the ball twice) so we get rid of the weird delaying that teams do to hold the centre pass to the next quarter. I doubt we would ever see this but disallowing players to rebound their own shots taken within 1.5 metres of the post would also be something that I would approve. I’ll never get over how farcical the 2016 ANZC grand final was where Aiken rebounded like 20 of her own missed shots which were all sitters under the post.

        sarahk90
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          No offence al_ex but not allowing shooters to get their own rebounds if they’re close to the post would be a terrible idea lol. But I’m a shooter myself so I’m probably biased.

          TB
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            Ye I don’t agree with your ruling either @al_ex ?

            Avatar photoIan Harkin
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              This is something we’ve discussed before. It is one way of enticing longer-range shooting without actually having a super shot. If you take shots from a certain distance, you can rebound it, if you take shots from close to the post, you can’t.

              And regarding the opening CP of each Q, that’s a rule that I’ve suggested before. Alternate the opening CP of each Q to stop the mucking around. There’s another (less serious) idea I had. Instead of removing the toss-up, start each Q with one! :yahoo:

              TB
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                Would you change the rules for the midcourters too? Can only feed into the circle once, no in-and-outs etc?

                Rules should be made for the betterment of the game, or for the game to run more smoothly. Not because of one tall, athletic and strong individual who dominates a particular stat in the game.

                If your going to cancel out something that shooters are not allowed to do, you will have to cancel something out in each third (mid and defenders).

                TB
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                  @Ian I LOVE that idea of starting each quarter with a toss up ?

                  al_ex
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                    Shooters are just so protected in Netball and I don’t like that the evolution of the rules has made height so imperative in the circle. As someone who’s played as a shooter in Netball and also played a fair bit of basketball, the existing rules around contesting put far more emphasis on height than on skill and footwork. I’m obviously not saying that tall holding shooters don’t have skill, but I think height has already become too much of an advantage in the circle over skill. Add in the fact that it’s embarrassing for the sport when shooters can’t score from under the post. If RAG, Fowler, Nweke etc. can’t score from literally 50 cm away I don’t see why they should get unlimited re-attempts when rebounding shots under the post have almost nothing to do with skill.

                    sarahk90
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                      How have the rules evolved to advantage taller people? (Not trying to be combative, I just can’t think of what rules have changed recently)

                      It sounds like you’re just annoyed at height differences to be honest. I’m never the tallest person in the ring and I manage to get rebounds when I miss directly under the post lol

                      Avatar photoIan Harkin
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                        The rules haven’t evolved to help taller people. The game has. And also, people are just generally getting taller. 6 foot (183cms) used to be considered tall for a netballer.

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                          Harvz81
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                            @Ian and @al_ex, i like your thinking! I am a goaler myself and I thought in the past for just fun that it would be interesting if we made it that if you catch your own rebound, you have to pass (not shot) — ideally take back to the transverse line.

                            I do like your proposal better though. Maybe they can adopt the SSN super shot line? For shots inside that line, if you miss and catch your own rebound then you may only pass. (It might be dangerous if players have to run away from the ball to avoid catching their own rebound.)

                            Harvz81
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                              Of the new rules, i do like not having to fake injuries to sub-off. New rules I would like to see, even if for elite netball or at SSN would be:-
                              -Removing intimidation (a defender’s job IS to intimidate);
                              -Alternating CP (great idea);
                              -Introduction of a shot clock or adopting the ‘use it’ rule from Fast5 ie players must attempt to attack the post (I dislike how teams play it around to count down the clock);
                              -Relax the footwork rule (I have just recently started learning basketball and enjoying how it is better on the knees. Too many players have done their ACL as of late);
                              -Relaxing the obstruction rule to make the game more competitive (e.g. it is okay to have hands before, you just as long as you are making a clear attempt at 3ft or relaxing it so that you need to make an effort to defend from approx. 3ft away, not exactly 3ft because all umpires have different interpretations of what exactly 3ft looks like.)

                              al_ex
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                                It’s not the rules in and of themselves, it’s more the interpretation of the rules. Shooters are allowed to hold space so aggressively nowadays that it’s so much easier for them to create a lot of space around the post, giving a big advantage to the tall, holding shooters.

                                There are so many occasions nowadays where shooters are pretty much leaning into their defenders so much that if the defender wasn’t there they would fall over. Players like Wilson, Proscovia, Nweke and Fowler are all quite guilty of this in my opinion. And it’s really been reflected in how many goals are being scored in matches nowadays. If you look at the old Constellation Cup series, matches normally had around 85-90 goals per game. Now matches are at around 105-110. If you go back to the Holden Test Series, many matches had sub-80 goals.

                                I would definitely say that shooters have gained an advantage over the past decades, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to introduce some rules to make it a bit harder. Players shouldn’t really be missing shots from under the post anyway. Having the free pass rule instead of being able to shoot again would be a good start.

                                TB
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                                  No that would be a horrible start.

                                  Having a giant shooter definitely helps, but it doesn’t mean they’re unstoppable. TBirds just won the SSN using mainly a moving GS. And the whole sitting on their players, Cath Cox was the queen of that.
                                  Also on the flip side, having these tall shooters have really created some amazing defenders in the game.


                                  @al_ex
                                  I don’t recall any game where a team scored 105-110? Are you referring to Fever v Fbirds game?

                                  I’m not too keen about adding more rules to our game of netball. I am both a netballer and basketballer – I love both games individually for just how they are.SSN have the 2 point shot, rolling subs and time-outs. Give it time and they’ll probably let players dribble the ball ?‍♂️

                                  In saying that, I was totally against the 2 point rule. I’m ashamed to say this, but it has made the game soo exciting to watch. Watching players like Housby, Cardwell and Glasgow have pretty much a shoot-off and in the dying stages of the game…..is both exciting and impressive.

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